Legislature(2023 - 2024)BUTROVICH 205

03/01/2023 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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03:32:22 PM Start
03:33:19 PM SB67
03:55:55 PM Presentation(s): Mining Industry Update
05:00:15 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
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*+ SB 67 PFAS USE FIREFIGHTING TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
Presentation: Mining Industry Update by
Karen Matthias, Executive Director, Council of
Alaska Producers (CAP)
Deantha Skibinski, Executive Director, Alaska
Miners Association (AMA)
Mike Satre, Governmental Affairs, Hecla Ltd.
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
                   SB  67-PFAS USE FIREFIGHTING                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:33:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  announced  the  consideration  of  SENATE  BILL NO.                                                           
67  "An  Act relating   to firefighting   substances;  and  providing                                                           
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:33:36 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   JESSE  KIEHL,   District  B,   Alaska  State   Legislature,                                                           
Juneau,  Alaska,  sponsor   of  SB  67, introduced   the  legislation                                                           
speaking to the following sponsor statement:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Per-  and polyfluoroalkyl   substances  (PFAS) are  a group                                                                
     of  chemicals  harmful  to human  health.  They are  linked                                                                
     to   serious   health  conditions   including   low   birth                                                                
     weight,  thyroid  disease,  and  cancereven   at  extremely                                                                
     small concentrations.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     They  also  make  excellent  ingredients   in firefighting                                                                 
     foams,  in part  because  they resist  breaking down.  When                                                                
     firefighting   foams or  other  compounds  containing  PFAS                                                                
     seep    into   drinking    water,   the   toxic    "forever                                                                
     chemicals" linger for years.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The   Alaska  Department   of  Environmental  Conservation                                                                 
     declared  PFAS  hazardous  substances  several  years  ago.                                                                
     Senate  Bill  67 protects  Alaskans'  health  and  prevents                                                                
     future  pollution  by  banning  PFAS foams  unless  federal                                                                
     law  preempts.  The bill also  requires  the state  to take                                                                
     back   small  quantities  of  PFAS   foam  to  ensure  it's                                                                
     disposed of safely.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Because  there  is not  yet  an effective  alternative  for                                                                
     the  intensity  of fire threat  oil &  gas operations  face                                                                
     at  refineries  or  the  Trans  Alaska  Pipeline  terminal,                                                                
     the   bill  exempts  those   producing,  transporting,   or                                                                
     refining   oil  and  gas  until  the  State   Fire  Marshal                                                                
     determines   an  effective  non-PFAS   substance  could  do                                                                
     the job.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:34:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN and SENATOR DUNBAR joined the committee.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  stated  that  with  a  few small  exceptions,   SB  67                                                          
says  no new  spraying  of PFAS-containing  firefighting   foams into                                                           
Alaska's  environment.  The  bill acknowledges  that  as long  as the                                                           
FAA  maintains  its requirement,  the  prohibition  against  spraying                                                           
PFAS-containing   foams will  be  federally  preempted.  Fortunately,                                                           
there  is  a  congressional   mandate   for  the  FAA  to  lift  that                                                           
requirement,  and  several  products  are  in the  process  that meet                                                           
US military specifications for fluorine-free foam.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  said  the  other  issue is  right  now  there  are  no                                                          
fluorine-free  foams  that  will handle  the  volume of  hydrocarbons                                                           
in  the oil  and  gas  industry.  Research  is ongoing  and  products                                                           
are  available  now that  come close  to  putting  out large  oil and                                                           
gas  fires.  SB 67  says  that  once those  products  are  available,                                                           
certified   effective,  and   have  gone  through   the  full  public                                                           
regulatory   process,   the  state   fire   marshal  will   mark  the                                                           
transition for the oil and gas industry.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  also flagged  the  takeback provision.   He explained                                                           
that  the bill  requires  the executive  branch  to  take back  up  to                                                          
25 gallons  of PFAS-containing   foam from  small entities  to ensure                                                           
that  the foam  is  disposed  of appropriately.   His expectation   is                                                          
these  small  quantities   will  be  put  with   the  PFAS-containing                                                           
foams   that  the  State   Airport  System   owns  and   disposed   of                                                          
together.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:42:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CATHY  SCHLINGHEYDE,   Staff,  Senator   Jesse  Kiehl,  Alaska  State                                                           
Legislature,   Juneau,  Alaska,  presented   the  sectional  analysis                                                           
for SB 67 on behalf of the sponsor:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 1 of the bill creates a new section:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Sec.   46.03.340(a):   Everyone  outside   the  oil  &  gas                                                                
     industry  must  stop using  PFAS containing  foams,  unless                                                                
     federal law preempts Alaska law.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Sec.  46.03.340(b):  The oil  & gas  industry may  continue                                                                
     using   PFAS-containing  foams   until  an  alternative  is                                                                
     approved by regulation.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sec.    46.03.340(c):   The   state    fire   marshal   can                                                                
     determine  there  is a safe  and effective  PFAS-free  foam                                                                
     for  fighting  oil or gas  fires if the  alternate  foam is                                                                
     listed   by   an   organization    in  OSHA's    Nationally                                                                
     Recognized    Testing   Laboratory    Program.   The   fire                                                                
     marshal  must  require  the new  foam by  regulation,  with                                                                
     a stated effective date.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Sec.  46.03.350(d):  DEC  must take  up to  25 gallons  per                                                                
     year    of   PFAS-containing    firefighting    foam   from                                                                
     Alaskans for disposal.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
       Sec. 2 of the bill sets an effective date of January                                                                     
     1, 2024.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:43:18 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  if  there was  reason  to believe  that                                                           
safe alternative firefighting substances were available.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL answered  yes,  with the  exception  of the  large and                                                           
intense   fires   that   might   occur  at   oil   and  gas   storage                                                           
facilities.   Nearly  all  of  Europe  has  been   fluorine-free  for                                                           
years  and  those foams  are  plenty  effective  for  the  volumes  of                                                          
air  traffic  that go  through  Anchorage,  Fairbanks,  and  anywhere                                                           
else that jets land in Alaska.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   WIELECHOWSKI  asked   if  PFAS  is  still   used  at  major                                                           
airports in Alaska.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  answered  yes; the  Federal  Aviation  Administration                                                           
still  requires DOT  to use those  foams.  However, the  testing that                                                           
used to  occur on  runways is  done in contained  areas  so the PFAS-                                                           
containing  foam  does  not escape  into  the environment.   If there                                                           
were  a  fire,  the  PFAS-containing   foam  would  be  used  at this                                                           
point.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:44:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL  mentioned  an  article  that  highlighted   PFAS  in                                                          
ski wax and commented on firefighters' risk of exposure.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  confirmed  that first  responders  often  are exposed                                                           
to  significant  quantities  of PFAS.  He  said it's  a concern  that                                                           
PFAS  chemicals  are present  in  a lot  of products.  SB  67 focuses                                                           
on the single greatest threat; PFAS in drinking water.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:46:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KAWASAKI  asked  if  there  was a  large  cost  differential                                                           
between  the  firefighting   foams  used  in  Europe  and  the  PFAS-                                                           
containing foams used in the US.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  said he  didn't  have a  cost comparison,  but  it  is                                                          
good  news  that  established  manufacturers   throughout  the  world                                                           
produce fluorine-free foams that work.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:47:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN asked  if  he had a  timeline  for when  the military                                                           
will approve PFAS-free firefighting foams.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL said  the process  is expected  to be 60-90  days, and                                                           
it's  begun  for some  products.  He  said  that  should trigger  the                                                           
FAA  to   lift  its   requirement   to  use   fluorinated   foams   at                                                          
airports.  It already  is  well past  the congressional   deadline  to                                                          
do so.  He  said there  is no  guarantee,  but he  believes  that the                                                           
FAA  will  begin   the  process  to  lift   its  requirement  in  3-4                                                           
months.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  CLAMAN commented  that  it sounds  as though this  could all                                                           
occur within the next 6-12 months.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHLINGHEYDE   responded   that  the  FAA  indicated   it  would                                                           
remove  the   requirement  to   use  fluorinated   foams  within  3-4                                                           
months.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP turned to invited testimony.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:49:13 PM                                                                                                                    
JUSTIN   MACK,   Secretary/Treasurer,    Alaska   Professional   Fire                                                           
Fighters  Association   (AKPFFA),  Anchorage,  Alaska,  testified   by                                                          
invitation   in  support  of   SB  67.  He  provided   his  extensive                                                           
professional  background,  and said  being a  fire fighter  is unique                                                           
and  routine  until  it isn't.  He  described  going  into  buildings                                                           
with zero  visibility  and responding  to victims  who  might not see                                                           
another   day.  He  said   it's  clear   that  this   career  can   be                                                          
dangerous.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He said  he learned  how to keep  himself  safe early in  his career,                                                           
but what  he failed  to understand  was that  despite  being careful,                                                           
following  standard  guidelines,   decontaminating   himself  and his                                                           
equipment,  and  wearing   the  most  up to  date  equipment   he and                                                           
other  fire  fighters  were  going  to  be  exposed  to  some  of the                                                           
worst  chemicals on  earth. These  chemicals  permeate  gear and seep                                                           
into fire  fighters'  pores. The  data shows  that firefighters  have                                                           
significantly    higher   rates   of    cancer   than   the   general                                                           
population.   The   World   Health    Organization   classifies   the                                                           
occupation as carcinogenic.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MACK  stated that  SB 67 is  an attempt  to limit  fire fighters'                                                           
and  the  public's  exposure  to  known  carcinogens.  He  emphasized                                                           
that  there  are alternatives  to  the  use of  PFAS-containing  foam                                                           
and strongly urged support for SB 67.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:52:41 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID   PRUHS,  Mayor,   City   of  Fairbanks,   Fairbanks,   Alaska,                                                           
testified  by invitation  in  support  of SB 67.  He stated  that the                                                           
Interior  has an  extensive  problem  associated  with the  dispersal                                                           
of  PFAS.  The  City  of  Fairbanks  spent  $5.4  million  to  supply                                                           
water  to 74 homes  after PFAS  from a firefighting  training  center                                                           
migrated  into  a  private  utility's  water  system.  The  city also                                                           
has  an  issue  with   concentrate  discharge   from  its  wastewater                                                           
system  and  is seeking  help  from  DEC on  behalf  of Golden  Heart                                                           
Utilities  for a  biosolids incinerator  testing  project.  He agreed                                                           
with  Senator   Kiehl  that  alleviating   the  problem  starts  with                                                           
removing PFAS from the system.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:55:00  PM                                                                                                                   
CO-CHAIR BISHOP held SB 67 in committee.                                                                                        

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Presentation Mining Industry Update 03.01.2023.pdf SRES 3/1/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 67 Sponsor Statement ver. A 2.13.2023.pdf SRES 3/1/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 67
SB 67 Sectional Analysis ver. A 2.13.2023.pdf SRES 3/1/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 67
SB 67 Fiscal Note DPS 2.24.2023.pdf SRES 3/1/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 67
Presentation Support Document AMA AK Mines Map 03.01.2023.pdf SRES 3/1/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 67 ver. B.PDF SRES 3/1/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 67